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The Noetic Society is a 501(c)(3) non-profit group with members in Southern California and around the world, who have been inspired to study Homer, Parmenides, the pre-Socratics, Plato, the neo-Platonists, and other perennial philosophers and mystics, not for academic reasons, but for personal spiritual growth. The society was founded by Pierre Grimes, PhD in 1967, and was incorporated in 1978.



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Original Greek ΠΡΟΚΛΟΥ ΔΙΑΔΟΧΟΥ - ΣΤΟΙΧΕΙΩΣΙΣ ΘΕΟΛΟΓΙΚΗ (13.) Πᾶν ἀγαθὸν ἑνωτικόν ἐστι τῶν μετεχόντων αὐτοῦ, καὶ πᾶσα ἕνωσις ἀγαθόν, καὶ τἀγαθὸν τῷ ἑνὶ ταὐτόν. εἰ γὰρ τὸ ἀγαθόν ἐστι σωστικὸν τῶν ὄντων ἁπάντων (διὸ καὶ ἐφετὸν ὑπάρχει πᾶσι), τὸ δὲ σωστικὸν καὶ...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSMISC, pg0, proclus, sgdaitz, elements-of-theology
Synopsis Another great Saturday morning chat with Pierre, this time around JulieH's kitchen table. Bradley continues his questions from last night , regarding how Pierre got himself to write his phenomenal book, Philosophical Midwifery(* ). This leads into some war stories from Pierre, as well as reading some of the chapters (27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 35) from Proclus' Elements of Theology , Balboa translation in which the pathologos may be seen. Highlights Bradley to Pierre: How did you come up...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, elements-of-theology, philosophical-midwifery
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Synopsis Another great Saturday morning chat with Pierre. (I was very tired, so I just did audio today, no video.) Pierre helped Regina and Eldar explore their dreams, with some post-discussion after each one. Regina's is at the beginning, and Eldar's starts about 1:03:00 I did take a snapshot of each, which are available as JPGs in the Download Options menu of this page. (All materials CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 INTL as usual.) Dream Texts Regina's Dreams 2 and 4 Oct 2019 Dream Wed 2 Oct 2019 I was...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp9 Sections: 165e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar Brief Synopsis of Today's Work (Play!) A) Commonality and symmetry among the hypotheses B) Reading the 1st 3 P's of hyp9 and finding a restatement/affirmation of the 1st hyp (albeit in the negative) Detailed Notes A) LOOKING FOR RELATIONSHIPS / SYMMETRY BETWEEN THE HYPOTHESES, BASED ON HOW THEY BEGIN Is there any formal connection between 9 and 8? Eldar: "return again to the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp9
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp4 Sections: 157b 157c 157d 157e 158a 158b 158c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Bradley, JeffS Pre- and post- discussions both of Pierre's 1973 motivation study of students at Goldenwest College in Huntington Beach, California, and of Trump's recent election, his choices for cabinet members, and the glaring rise of fascism in the United States (and the alternative choices we have). Interesting that (as we have decided in the past...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp4
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Synopsis An audio recording (thanks to Regina) of an NS gathering at David's house, around an outside fire, on July 4th. Pierre and Eldar discuss greater and greater wholes, until the dialogue itself causes Eldar to enter into an experience of Mind (around 0:47:00 or so) so intense that he passes out (or IN!) and can no longer participate. (A discussion of his state is taken up two days later at our Saturday gathering .). Later, Bradley, Regina, JeffL, Barbara, and Jed participate. Highlights...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSPE, pg1
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Synopsis Another lovely Saturday morning informal chat with Pierre. This week, we do another two dreams, one each from SteveD and JeffS. There is also some chit-chat at the beginning and end. (SteveD's dream exploration starts at 0:07:20.) Dream Texts SteveD's dream (within last week) Looking at a book-case. A very vivid, bright dream. Vividly-detailed. Everything in the dream -- I still see it! It's the top shelf of this book-case. And there are volumes of books. Little, thin volumes of books....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today Pierre jumps us ahead to book 6 to get an idea of where we are headed (currently we are really finishing up book 2) so that we can understand better why we need to understand the earlier books. We...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus
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Dialogue(s): republic Chapters: book01 Sections: 327a-331d Text/translation used: W.H.D. Rouse, transl., "Great Dialogues of Plato". Topics Covered, Audio Highlights, and Notes Starting Book 01 of Plato's "The Republic". Pierre leads the NS through a series of questions designed to help us understand what is really going on as Book 1 opens and Socrates is 'kidnapped' (an act of injustice) to go down to the Piraeus, to Cephalus' house. They convince Socrates to stay and ......
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, book01, republic-nights
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Dialogue(s): parmenides;gospel-of-john A lovely Saturday morning coffee chat with Pierre and the NS gang at Bill and Ronda's house in their beautiful garden. [I did not film this Saturday: too tired, and too hard to get camera angles all figured out in a new location, so I just nixed it.] Attendees: Pierre, Ronda, Bill, Barbara, JulieH, Regina, DavidC, MarkB, Ingmar, Eldar, Sayon, JeffS First 3+ minutes are just us gathering and getting seating and table arranged to talk with Pierre out in Bill...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, parmenides, gospel-of-john
Synopsis Another lovely Saturday morning chatting with Pierre, this time at Jeff and Sayon's house. Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Sayon, JeffS, JeffL. - Some introductory warm-up and chit-chat as we get settled, then Pierre midwifes.. - JeffL on a dream he brought with him (starting at ~0:13:05) - Barbara (starting at ~1:20:20) - JeffS (starting at ~1:36:43) Text of JeffL's Dream JeffL 5/24/18 I’m in a car with my brother or my mom. I think it starts out with my brother and switches to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM, NSPMW
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we spent more time in Chapter 11 of Book 2. Attendees Pierre, Regina, Eldar, JulieH, Barbara, JeffS, DavidC Highlights More Info (*) Proclus' Theology of Plato (Thomas Taylor translation): Volume Eight...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read TOP: Book 6, Chapter 2; OT: Genesis). Attendees Pierre, JulieH, Regina, Barbara Notes From Barbara For the most part we did the Genesis Story through the Garden Drama. There were notes made on...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, old-testament, book06, chap02, genesis, proclus
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp6 Sections: 162a P36 P37 161c P25 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, JeffS (Parmenides discussion proper ends about 1:18:30.) Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp6
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Original Location https://archive.org/details/20190626NSPRM Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Like these videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or other link. We'd love it if you chose to 'Make this a monthly donation', as well -- rather than just one-time -- in whatever...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, timaeus
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: chap04;chap05;book01 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Pierre leads our Parmenides morning study group through a reading of chapters 4 and 5 of book 1 of Proclus' Theology of Plato . More Info (*) Proclus' Theology of Plato: We are using for now the Thomas Taylor translation: Volume Eight in the Thomas Taylor series, ISBN-10: 978-1898910-077, as published by Prometheus Trust and available in the UK through them...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus, book01, chap04, chap05
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 130b 130c 130d 130e 131a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieP, Bradley 130B 130C barbara's question: what are the implications 130B can we get also from this passage a better understanding of Parmenides' understanding of Zeno's position? 130C what is the right way to speak about classes of things? how to talk about elements? are there separate ideas for these things? so what do you want to conclude in the category of an idea? and are...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, plg
Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book01;chap11;chap12 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Pierre leads our Parmenides morning study group through finishing up chapter 11, and all of chapter 12 of Proclus' Theology of Plato .(*) We look at the Greek in several places, and try to grasp what Proclus is doing. In the end (as with the diagram), Pierre points out that it will be our job to see if Proclus' explanation of things maps onto the 9 hypotheses of...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book01;chap06;chap07;chap08;chap09;chap10 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Pierre and the Parmenides morning study group read chapters 6-10 of Book 1 of Proclus' Theology of Plato. Chapter 7, p.67, para. 2: We ought however to dare, since we have entered on such like arguments, and affirm against our opponents, that the Parmenides, and the mystic conceptions it contains, will accomplish all you desire. In these...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book06;chap22 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Pierre leads us through another morning of Parmenides study. This is our first day (at least in a while) of studying Proclus' Theology of Plato. This morning we don't read any Parmenides, but instead take an initial dip in the water of Proclus' Theology of Plato. For the first part of the session Pierre leads us through a broad preview/survey/sampling in order to get...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp4 Sections: 157b-d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar 155e 3rd hyp, P1. hoti (ὅτι) = "because"? Barbara researched it since. More like a "that" 157bc - 4th hyp New Goal for next few meetings: To proceed sequentially (hyp's 4,5,6,7,8,9), comparing and relating the hypotheses. How he talks about the introduction to each of the hyp's. Must 5 follow from 4? Why is it called the 4th? And how does it relate to the preceeding?...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp4
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 6, Chapter 22. From Barbara: I was in a very low state and didn't even realize I wasn't notating what Pierre was putting on the board until the middle of chart 2 and then I kept falling...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, book06, chap22, proclus
Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato;elements-of-theology Chapters: book01;chap22;prop30;prop31 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Nancy (at the end) Synopsis Pierre leads our NS Parmenides morning study group through a reading of Proclus' Theology of Plato (*). This morning we are still on Book 1, Chapter 22 of the Theology, and a translation of the word, "principle" takes us into a reading of propositions 30, 31, and others, of Proclus' Elements of Theology(+) . Note from Barbara Hi,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, elements-of-theology, proclus
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 6, Chapter 1. Pierre made a new chart and made a lot of reference to the chart that was dated 10/23. Attendees Pierre, David, JulieH, Regina, Barbara Credits Recording, title, and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, book06, chap01, proclus
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Chapters 16 and 17 of Book 3. Attendees Pierre, Regina, Eldar, JulieH, Barbara, David, JeffS More Info (*) Proclus' Theology of Plato (Thomas Taylor translation): Volume Eight in the Thomas...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, proclus, book03, chap16, chap17
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Synopsis Changing the teaching of math, with Josh Pierre midwifes Barbara and JulieH through making sense of their recent dreams. Dream Texts Barbara's Dream Fragment There's a lady standing in front of me, and she is saying there are two presents. That present, and this present. JulieH's Dream #2 — Sun 17 Nov 2019 I’m at some place that is VERY RIGID. It’s a square room and like an insurance company. I’m the customer and the woman helping me works for other company. We’re over at...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Synopsis Another lovely informal and fun Saturday morning chat with Pierre. Again, I am too tired to film, so audio only. But I snapped a picture of us at the beginning. Sitting around the table were Pierre, and then starting around from his left: JulieH, SteveD, Ciprian, JeffS, Eldar, and Barbara. Highlights The 'Transcendent' / Divine What evidence is there? Review of last night's talk We had all the time a connection between ourselves and an eternal source providing insights into the human...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg;hyp4 Sections: 134d 134e 135a 135b 135c 157e 158a 158b 158c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, plg, hyp4
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Prologue 136c Highlights from Barbara We went to #4 of Zeno's Exercise, a.k.a. the Dialectic method. 136c Pierre suggested three ways of understanding the quote “any other that one may choose” in #4 at 135c3 We explored Socrates' quote just after the dialectic method was given where he asks for an example of hypothesizing a “self”. We considered that all the hypotheses could have been...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, plg
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre. We warmed up with a little politics, and a discussion of how to break people (especially Trump-ites, but also entire societies) out of their heavy “belief” states. Then we dive into two dream explorations with JulieH and Eldar. (I was exhausted, so again, just an audio and some snapshots today, no video.) JulieH's dream exploration starts at about 0:34:15 (where I deleted about 10 minutes of silence while Pierre and the group read over her...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato;enneads;phaedrus Chapters: book01;chap21;5.2.11 Sections: 246e-247e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Pierre and the NS Parmenides morning study group start into Chapter 21 of Book 1 of Proclus' Theology of Plato (1). It is a very short chapter, but just scanning it, it becomes clear that it will be helpful to re-familiarize ourselves with the Phaedrus(2) (being referred to here), and specifically, the 2nd speech of Socrates, where the four...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, enneads, phaedrus, proclus, plotinus
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Synopsis Before starting with dreams tonight, we got going with coffee and this question from Pierre. Original Location https://archive.org/details/20191129NSFRI Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to noeticsociety.org and the 'Support the Project' section. Look for the Paypal or...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Stephanus Sections: 135c-136b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Eldar, JulieH Topics Covered: Barbara brought in her printout of her search for semainei in the Parmenides, and its various meanings Reviewing the Logos at 136B (3). '..and in One Logos..' You have to relate the Self to all of the hypotheses. So when you finish, your dialectic should be a comparison of the idea of the Self in all of the hypotheses (which is what we've been...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, plg, proclus, commentary-on-the-parmenides
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 151e-152a (P183-P187) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, JulieH, Eldar, Jed, JeffS Our study group continues where we left off a week ago, at 151e in the 2nd hypothesis of Plato's Parmenides dialogue. Pierre suggests we go back over the section we last read (151e-152a, P183-187), so we do. We discuss the "procession" word in P187, which has as its root the word, 'poros', as Barbara noted for us previously in our most...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp4 Sections: 157e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, JulieH, Nancy, JeffS Logos in the 4th, continued. (Notes forthcoming) Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image Burning Man 2013 CARGO CULT courtesy of Flickr user Bexx Brown-Spinelli (angeldye) under a CC BY-ND 2.0 license when downloaded on 2017-08-01.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp4
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Stephanos sections: 60b 60c 60d 60e 61a 61b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Eldar, Alex, Kevin, JeffS Why is Socrates making his own myth (actually, adapting one of Aesop's)? and can we apply that to Phaedo's statement of the Theseus myth? (a really good talk today, though most of us were either tired or in moods, and it took us a while to get on the same page with Pierre) Pierre added the text in blue at the bottom, after the talk was over. Working from Plato's Phaedo: The...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, phaedo, pg1
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 136a-b,135d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Nancy, Josh, Eldar, JulieH, Yoni, JeffS We keep going with trying to do the 'Zeno dialectic' on the four clauses in 136a,b. Since these clauses could be interpreted in different ways, we explore and consider some of these ways, and how the application of the dialectic would look under each of these interpretations. Also, if this means going over the 9 hypotheses (or some subset for each...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 6, Chapter 22. From Barbara: There was a chart and a part of another--ran out of paper, had some more but PG didn't want to stop for installation so he wrote on the side of 2-10-20 and the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, book06, chap22, proclus
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Stephanos section 137b What is Parmenides' hypothesis / world-view? Does he conclude about it? Gödel's incompleteness theorems (vs Parmenides' 1st hypothesis, which is both consistent and complete) Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg rainbow photo in the creative commons from xia li (xiaosa) at Flickr
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 142c 142d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar Email from Barbara: Hi, Jeff The talk today included Gina, David, Eldar, Pierre and me. We listened to Gina's presentation of the Golden Mean Proportional in the Second Hypothesis. Then Pierre worked on it; we puzzled our way through it. We worked at 142C-D. Gina started by reading sections from a handout she prepared. It was pages 44-47 from Sacred Geometry Philosophy and Practice, by...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp2, golden-mean
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 6, Chapter 12. Before we jumped into Chapter 12, though, Barbara asked Pierre about this quote, “Moreover, the incommensurability of Pherephatta with multitude, and the terror and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, book06, chap12, proclus
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp3 Sections: 156b,155e (P1, P8) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Adina, Bradley, JeffS Topics Covered, Audio highlights, and Notes Not a lot of text work today. Mostly chit-chat. The session starts out with Pierre sitting at David's kitchen table looking over a book Barbara brought which was mentioned in previous sessions, on the basis of having apparently influenced a Zen person on Facebook who was in conversation with Pierre: Parmenides and the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp3
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 5, Chapter 38. Attendees Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH Credits Recording, title, and highlights: Barbara Chart Photo: Regina Original Location https://archive.org/details/20191014NSPRM...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, book05, chap38, proclus
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (1) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Theology of Plato, Book 5, Chapters 28-29, and briefly from Plato's Timaeus (2), Stephanus 31. Attendees Pierre, Barbara, David, JulieH, Regina, Jed Highlights From Barbara: As people had not...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp4 Sections: 157b-158c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Sayon, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image, Crop Circles 24 , courtesy Le Petit Poulailler on Flickr , CC BY-NC-ND 2.0
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 142b 142c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 133d,e (P36,P37) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Our study group first continues into our third day ( 1 , 2 ) of looking at what I am calling here the "prelude", i.e., the summary statement Parmenides makes (at P36/133d) of all the problems/issues involved with Socrates' position before he launches into the Master-Slave argument/example. Then, at about an hour-and-a-half in, we start into Parmenides'...
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Synopsis The usual NS Saturday morning chit-chat with Pierre. This time at JulieH's house (indoors, as it was raining). I did not film -- not enough energy or time. So audio only. Sitting around the table, starting with Pierre, and moving around the table starting from his left: Pierre, JulieH, Barbara, SteveD, JoshB, Regina, Eldar, JeffS. Various chit-chat at the beginning. Pierre midwifes a dream with Eldar (starting around 0:30:30). Pierre uses the dream exploration to open up deeper...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 3, Chapter 15. (We delve a little into Chapter 16 but we will start that one over next time.) [NOTE: My apologies, everyone.. Proclus (at least here, in the Theology of Plato) has been...
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book02;chap03;chap04 Attendees: Pierre, JulieH, Barbara, Regina, David, JeffS default_body_description More Info The NS Parmenides Study Group Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 5, Chapters 1-3. Attendees Pierre, Barbara, David, JulieH, Regina More Info (*) Proclus' Theology of Plato (Thomas Taylor translation): Volume Eight in the Thomas Taylor series, ISBN-10:...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 4, Chapter 1.  At the end of the session we speak a little about Book 5 Ch. 1 and Ch. 5 Attendees Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Regina Technical Issues Chart is missing from today's talk. More...
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Stephanos sections: 130b,130c,130d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Bradley Barbara's notes Hi, Jeff, Juan, Maria, Julie and Yoni, Another amazing talk with PG. There's a bit of a talk at the beginning about Pierre's motivational study at GWC, about types of students who go on probation, i.e. selfers, future carreerists, vocationals, and high-schoolers. We began the study at 130B and continued from there. If you want a bit of audio that precedes this where Gina is talking about...
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Stefanos sections: 129b-c,136b-c From Barbara: A smallish group today: Gina, Dave, Brad, Me, Pierre, and Josh. Pierre began the session by asking, "Is it worthwhile being clear about what Parmenides says the nature and power of that which can destroy the dialectic?" We started at 135B-C. Pierre asked about this passage, "Is this a perfect description of Socrates?" Then we went to Socrates at 129 B-C to examine Socrates' position to see if it matched. Then we went back to...
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Attendees Pierre, Regina, Barbara, JulieH, Eldar, KevinG, JeffS, SteveD Synopsis Another lovely Saturday morning coffee with Pierre -- this one out in Regina's back yard. Time-table 0:00:30 Pierre dialogues with Regina about her family game 0:20:50 Barbara's two dreams from that morning 1:01:30 Dialogue with KevinG to help him think through a life problem he is facing 2:02:04 JeffS's dream, 9 umbrellas (after everyone has read it) Dream Texts Barbara's Dreams Dream 1 - Saturday, September 8,...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we started with a few Greek vocabulary from Chapter 18 of Book 3. But then there was a dialogue with Julie that lasted about 30 minutes about the role of light and divinity from a quote in Chapter 18....
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Hypothesis 8. Attendees Pierre, JulieH, Regina, Barbara Highlights We worked solely on the 8th Hypothesis exploring it to see if PMW (philosophical midwifery) and Pierre's concept of the pathologos could be mapped over all the major distinctions of the Eighth. We'll return to this study on Friday 9/27 . Credits Recording, title, and highlights: Barbara Chart Photo: Regina Original Location...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 6, Chapter2 (pp 397-8) and Genesis. Attendees Pierre, JulieH, Barbara, Regina Notes From Barbara: There was a new chart. It started in a discussion with Julie H. about cause due to the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, old-testament, book06, chap02, genesis, proclus
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Book 10, Sections 614-621 Brief Notes From Barbara: We worked on the Myth of Er. The opening quote on the Charts was: Learning is 1. to discover the new and understand it. 2) to recover from an error (or ignorance) remove the effect and go on to gain what was left unknown. Some of the quotes we focused on in this order--all are in the Republic, two versions being used--are p. 529 in the...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 6, Chapter 11. No chart today, though we referred to the chart of the Gods , the printed hierarchy as opposed to Pierre's drawn one (i.e., diagram 1). Attendees Pierre, Barbara, JulieH,...
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Synopsis Three of us explore our dreams with Pierre on a Friday night before Pierre's talk . [Normally this would have been a video, but an SD card gave out, and I spent hours (unsuccessfully) trying to recover the video and splice things together. In the end, I just gave up and am posting this audio of the three talks, which I had recorded on a backup audio recorder (my Zoom H2N on a stand at the front of the room). Ugh.] Dream Texts JulieH Aug-29-2018 Dream #1 I was like working at UCI. Jeff...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read book 4, chapters 14 and 15. Attendees Pierre, David, Eldar, Gina, JulieH, Barbara More Info (*) Proclus' Theology of Plato (Thomas Taylor translation): Volume Eight in the Thomas Taylor series,...
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Stephanos sections (Phaedo): 79c 79d 81c 81d 114b 114c 114d 114e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, Kevin, Josh, JeffS PG's opening question (see diagram): Is the Theseus myth in the beginning of the Phaedo the controlling feature for understanding the dialogue? Same question, now re-formulated as an ANALOGY, with a blank to fill in: IF.. In the Theseus myth (at the beginning of the Phaedo), there are 14 + theseus who go to Crete to destroy the Minotaur, and he returns triumphantly to...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 133e-139a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Pierre leads the Parmenides Morning Study Group through another morning. We are still working through the 1st hypothesis of Plato's dialogue, Parmenides , looking at the 14 arguments made there (see Pierre's diagram from 6/27 ) and noting what patterns of thinking Parmenides is using. Today's talk, IMHO, was just mind-blowing. Well, darn near every talk is. But...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 155d (P237), 154e (P231), 155c (P233), 154d-155d (P228-P234) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Nancy, JulieH, Eldar, Jed, JeffS Continuing (from Monday ) with doxa (δόξα) at P237/155d: Trying to find it in the 2nd hypothesis. Why/how can he use it here? What did he do in the 2nd hyp that qualifies? Besides "opinion", Doxa could also be "belief", "appearance", "reputation", "expectation", or...
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Stephanus sections: 129e,130a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, JeffS Parmenides discussion starts at 15m:13s. Initial discussion is of two books(*) Pierre is considering looking into with the morning group, and a review of his visit to a weekend men's conference. Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image, "Mirror, Mirror" , by Wagner Machado Carlos Lemes. Downloaded from Flickr on Oct 24, 2016,...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read through Chapters 20 and 21 of Book 4. At the end we returned to Chapter 14 for elucidation of “paternal port”. Attendees Pierre, Barbara, Eldar, David, JulieH, Regina More Info (*) Proclus'...
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Dialogue(s): theology-of-plato Chapters: book02;chap02 Sections: 13,14 Attendees: Pierre, JulieH, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, JeffS (going around the table clock-wise) Synopsis Pierre leads the Parmenides study group through the remaining part of Chapter 1 of Book 2 of Proclus' Theology of Plato (*). Pierre asks us: Was Parmenides right in starting with the One-Self?. This leads to a very close examination of the text, which requires a lot of unpacking (and we still need to go home and work...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1;hyp2;hyp6;hyp7 Sections: 161a 163b 163c 163d 163e 164a 164b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Eldar, JulieH, Yoni, JeffS The difference between Platonic/Parmenidean tradition and other traditions (Buddhist, Taoist): "They Have No Logos".  They might have the goal of getting you to the highest experience (Hyp 2) or to knowing the Self (Hyp 1), but they do not use understanding-via-logos to do so. And they cannot help you remember...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another morning of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 3, Chapter 13. Attendees Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Regina, Eldar, JeffS More Info (*) Proclus' Theology of Plato (Thomas Taylor translation): Volume Eight in the Thomas Taylor series,...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 5, Chapters 3, 4, and 39. From Barbara: We looked at p. 56, 58 and 59 in Chapters 3 and 4 of Book I of the Theology because of an earlier question about monads. We decided to go over it in...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we compare Book 6, Chap 22 (written by Proclus) and Book 7, Chap 1 (written by Thomas Taylor, since Proclus' original Book 7 had been lost). (Doing this had been our 'homework' for today.) This was our...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp6 Sections: 160e 161b 161c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, Yoni Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image, tracks , courtesy of Flickr user Harald Link under a CC BY-NC-ND 2.0 license , downloaded 2017-01-25.
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Book 5, Chapter 39 (last para). Attendees Pierre, Julie, Regina, and Barbara Credits Recording, title, and highlights: Barbara Chart Photo(s): Regina, JulieH Original Location...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 131d, 132de Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Bradley, Eldar, JeffS Pierre's new paper (unpublished yet) on midwifery in the 10 ox-herding pictures(1), and small paragraphs he wrote for each of the 10. Pierre inviting Bradley (since Bradley paints) to make 10 new ox-herding pictures(1) to illustrate the stages that participants in Philosophical Midwifery(2) go through; also, Pierre inviting others of us to write new captions for going underneath...
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